tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post2649444883745414658..comments2023-05-23T06:58:05.579-04:00Comments on Fugue for Tinhorns: Lasix works: No cheerleading necessaryGlenn Cravenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09760553404742644042noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-26624128421288946282009-10-19T12:50:29.471-04:002009-10-19T12:50:29.471-04:00The above post ended up in the wrong thread, someh...The above post ended up in the wrong thread, somehow. I'm going to recategorize it into the right one.Glenn Cravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760553404742644042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-86132714597003449512009-10-19T12:34:12.449-04:002009-10-19T12:34:12.449-04:00There is just soooo much to respond to and unfortu...There is just soooo much to respond to and unfortunately, the decline of the thoroughbred/race industry and it's microcosm that is the VA industry can't be resolved with the input of just Craven, Petty and a nobody like me. I'll start with the obvious. There is no way in hell that those in Richmond will willing give that money back (or share, for that matter) to the VA horse industry. Face it. They don't care. Factor in the money required to own a horse, the economy, cost of maintaining rural real estate, tax code and an antiquated blue-law mentality for many reps in Richmond...racing is screwed in VA. A better question for me is, of the top performers (owners, breeders) based in Virginia, what do they think? Better yet, what do they do? I know...they breed and train/race almost entirely out of State. We couldn't even get a license plate in honor of Secretariat because it failed to get the minimum number of advance orders (a measely 300, I think). Isn't the Horse Center in Lexington struggling? As to a Commonwealth Stud, wouldn't that be tied to purses? Wouldn't that require cooperation among adjoining states? Wouldn't that require extending the racing at CD? Sorry, but I don't see that happening. What I'm saying is that you'll find no majority support from Richmond or surrounding racing jurisdictions. It's going to be hard to bring the TB race game with it's associated breeding/ownership with it's former glory back to the Old Dominion for several reasons. Richmond is just one reason. The one thing that has some glimmer of hope is the point-to-point, steeplechase and sport horse area; very user friendly and a good day of sporting for all, albeit low-key.<br /><br />Best of luck on your quest.coeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-29448490753216985862009-07-12T11:18:09.342-04:002009-07-12T11:18:09.342-04:00This story broke my heart (again) as a fan of raci...This story broke my heart (again) as a fan of racing and my love of champions. Yah. I get it, crap happens. Reminds me of Secretariat's demise, laminitas...but honestly, it disturbs me more than the loss of this champion or others to some other level. No, I'm not advocating a smoking gun, but seriously...this just doesn't make sense to me and like Glenn, his (LR) breeding/pedigree was lost too soon. I have three that don't do anything but eat and breathe with similar old line breeding, etc.<br /><br />How is it that champions like Secretariat, Lawyer Ron, Alydar get diseases/conditions that are seemingly observable (feeling for heat, off their feed, etc) at some of the premier farms in the US and wind up dead before their time? I'm stupid, but understand that horses can turn on a dime in the wrong direction. Who's watchin' the farm?...literally.<br /><br />Yes, crap happens. But I just don't get it. And such a waste for many reasons. Thanks for the memories LR. You will be missed more than many in the racing world will ever understand.coeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-42218845673814676162009-07-03T19:50:08.333-04:002009-07-03T19:50:08.333-04:00(Reposted to clean up returns)
It isn't hard ...(Reposted to clean up returns)<br /><br />It isn't hard to find at all (with the exception of whomever "private donors" might be). It's at the bottom of page 1.<br /><br />"From the Faculty of Veterinary Science, University of Melbourne,Melbourne, VIC 3030, Australia (Hinchcliff); the Department of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 (Morley); and the Faculty of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria, Onderstepoort 0110, Gauteng, Republic of South Africa (Guthrie). All authors contributed equally to this study.<br /><br />Supported by the National Horseracing Authority of South Africa, Phumelela Gaming and Leisure (Pty) Ltd, TecMed (Pty) Ltd, Racing South Africa (Pty) Ltd, the Grayson-Jockey Club Research Foundation, the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium, the Thoroughbred Racing Trust of South Africa, and private donors.<br /><br />The authors thank Graeme Hawkins, Elvarde van Zyl, Eddie Smith, Rob de Kock, Dr. Duncan MacDonnald, Dr. Dale Wheeler, Dr. Cindy Harper, Dr. Melvyn Quan, Dr. John Grewar, Dr. Patrick Page, Dr. Rosie Gerber, Dr. Cynthia Donnellan, Dr. Robin Moore, Dr. Karin Kruger, Stellest de Villiers, Anette Nel, Ilse Vorster, Roehan Sutherland, Taelo Sibi, Dr. Rick Sams, and Dr. Schalk de Kock for technical, logistic, and administrative assistance.<br /><br />Address correspondence to Dr. Hinchcliff.Glenn Cravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760553404742644042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-24518813194816860902009-07-03T13:39:38.540-04:002009-07-03T13:39:38.540-04:00Glenn...horses don't talk or pay the bills; th...Glenn...horses don't talk or pay the bills; the humans that own them do and the other humans involved get the cash from same. Like I said, while the drug may impede bleeding in the lungs (which brings up the fitness and/or genetic debate), the drug(s) seriously impedes hydration and electrolyte balances in the athlete.<br /><br />Here's a question (maybe it's in the study and I'll check): Who paid for the study? Look deep and closely because it can be confusing to figure out in the short term or surface.coeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-57484480921876934792009-07-02T10:28:00.665-04:002009-07-02T10:28:00.665-04:00I'm not sure why university researchers in Aus...I'm not sure why university researchers in Australia and South Africa would have an agenda to promote furosemide. Unless you're saying they're on the take from a pharmaceutical company.Glenn Cravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760553404742644042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-86273571328178868812009-07-02T01:05:05.110-04:002009-07-02T01:05:05.110-04:00Agenda agenda agendaAgenda agenda agendaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-18864905184978574962009-07-01T22:35:27.848-04:002009-07-01T22:35:27.848-04:00Here is my problem with the study and how it is be...Here is my problem with the study and how it is being reported by the racing media:<br /><br />(1) They think it is some kind of justification for the use of Lasix/Salix;<br /><br />(2) One of the participants of the study said, "The results do not diminish other factors"...not a quote, just a summation;<br /><br />(3) Peter Lurie (sp?) of HRTV was gushing about this report. (I like him and Race Day America, but...), but he thought it was great news;<br /><br />(4) These drugs are diuretics!!!! They bleed the system of water! Tough concept for the athletic body to handle with the necessary hydration needed to compete, perform, etc. Duh!<br /><br />(5) Why does no one in the competitive horse world get this? (a) I've got a bleeder, and (b) I'm gonna juice this horse to the point that it won't bleed in the lungs, but also won't have the hydration necessary to compete properly (or ethically). Another Duh!<br /><br />Bottom line...your horse needs drugs?...it doesn't need to compete.coeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-38656934812973213832009-07-01T12:07:58.107-04:002009-07-01T12:07:58.107-04:00I think that Gallop France hits the nail on the he...I think that Gallop France hits the nail on the head - http://www.gallopfrance.com/blog/2009/07/01/about-that-lasix-study/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-61118047288861219902009-07-01T11:21:29.514-04:002009-07-01T11:21:29.514-04:00You've said it much better than I did. A caref...You've said it much better than I did. A careful read of the study shows it is most effective on SEVERE bleeders, and if 92 percent of U.S. racehorses fall into that category, we're in trouble. Also, it doesn't discuss any possibly negative side effects from repeated lasix use, and it doesn't examine any alternative treatments (like limiting stress and changing the training environment to avoid pollutants).G. Rarickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07796528877225352947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-35232109211113174192009-07-01T09:36:30.183-04:002009-07-01T09:36:30.183-04:00A great point, Gordon. I'll also never forget ...A great point, Gordon. I'll also never forget that. Dutrow admitted he didn't know what Winstrol really did, nor whether it helped. But he let the vet give it to the horse routinely.<br /><br />Lasix is administered to 90 percent of horses raced in the U.S. Some percentage of that -- probably a fairly large percentage -- are connections who simply think, "If your horse is on it, mine needs to be on it."<br /><br />Of course they have to be identified as a bleeder, but that doesn't take much.Glenn Cravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09760553404742644042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-74620793587327777282009-07-01T08:40:05.707-04:002009-07-01T08:40:05.707-04:00My concern (not so much of an objection) with Lasi...My concern (not so much of an objection) with Lasix and all drugs is that trainers seem to give the drugs (and vets enable them) without ever even caring whether or not the drug is actually helping them. Case Study A: Rick Dutrow and Big Brown. When asked about the steriod (yes a legal one), Dutrow admitted he had no idea whether or not it helped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1266573065584680131.post-74136203233649206992009-06-30T15:12:47.300-04:002009-06-30T15:12:47.300-04:00Excellent summary.
A further aspect that should b...Excellent summary.<br /><br />A further aspect that should be noted is the primary reason why Furosemide is banned in other racing jurisdictions (and for human athletes, btw) in the first place: it makes it impossible to detect certain types of doping. Which also means that the study's conclusion that "its use in racehorses might be justifiable, assuming that other regulatory and policy issues important to the integrity of the sport are adequately addressed." (p. 81) is somewhat eating itself. Furosemide makes it harder to address integrity issues. By extension, this quality may indeed make it one factor in the (not quite that mysterious) "Mystery of the porcelain leg", albeit an indirect one.<br /><br />One more point: the study shows that Furosemide considerably lowers the likelihood of suffering from EIPH in THIS race, but it may also mask the existing problem just well enough for the horse not to attract proper veterinary attention before the next start.malcerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02913127739083446726noreply@blogger.com